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BEE #149: Finding Your Fitness Path with Pamela Pope: From Tech Sales to Transforming Lives

• Kristin Jones

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What happens when you trade financial security for soul-fulfilling work? Pamela Pope's transformation from tech sales executive to fitness professional offers a masterclass in following your intuition despite fear and uncertainty.

In this deeply personal conversation, Pamela shares how two corporate layoffs became the catalyst for embracing her true calling in the fitness world. Though initially intimidated by the financial implications, she discovered that the ability to witness her direct impact on clients' lives provided a satisfaction that no sales commission could match. "I finally feel like I'm doing what I was meant to be doing," she reflects, capturing the essence of vocational alignment.

Fitness enthusiasts will appreciate Pamela's insights into the Legree method—a challenging Pilates-inspired workout focused on time under tension rather than flow—and how this training modality became her gateway into full-time fitness instruction. As both a personal trainer and master Legree instructor, she brings a unique perspective on sustainable health practices that prioritize long-term lifestyle changes over quick fixes.

What truly distinguishes Pamela's approach is her commitment to authenticity. Rather than positioning herself as an untouchable fitness guru, she openly shares her own struggles with food and body image, creating deeper connections with clients. This vulnerability extends to her recent participation in the Hyrox endurance competition, where despite feeling intimidated by elite athletes, she embraced being outside her comfort zone and formed meaningful community connections.

For anyone contemplating their own fitness journey, Pamela offers refreshingly practical advice: start absurdly small. Drawing from James Clear's "Atomic Habits," she advocates for micro-goals like taking a five-minute walk rather than attempting dramatic transformations that quickly fizzle out. Her philosophy centers on extending your "health span" to match your lifespan—maintaining functional independence and joy throughout your entire life.

Ready to take your first small step toward lasting change? Listen now and discover how tiny actions can transform your relationship with fitness, career, and fulfillment.

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Speaker 1:

Do you want to lose weight but struggle to stay committed to a meal plan because you constantly feel hungry? Does food provide you comfort when you're bored, angry, lonely or sad? If so, you are in the right place. My name is Kristen Jones and I'm a life coach specializing in emotional eating and weight loss, and I'm also a lifelong emotional eater. I want to provide you with information, motivation and support so you, too, can learn to manage your issues with food and develop a healthy relationship with yourself.

Speaker 1:

Welcome to the Breakthrough Emotional Eating Podcast. My name is Kristen Jones and thank you so much for joining me this week. So you all know that if I'm in this studio, I'm interviewing somebody. Studio, I'm interviewing somebody, and I'm interviewing somebody that I love and respect, because I am interviewing somebody that I work with a lifetime. So welcome to this week's podcast. This week's podcast is so special. I don't know how long has it been that we've been trying to plan this Like a month and a half, two months At least, at least. At least and it's not my fault, y'all. She's just like at the busiest, she's the hardest working woman in America. I tell her that all the time she is so busy. So my guest today is my wonderful, dear friend. Do you want me to call you Pam or Pamela? Which one would you prefer?

Speaker 2:

Either or Either one. I call her Pam.

Speaker 1:

So I'm just going to go Pam I like either or Pam. So this is my friend, pam Pope, and she is a trainer and a fellow Pilates instructor and, even better, she is a master Legree instructor. So if you don't know, if you're not aware of what Legree is, she will explain what it is. But it's a style of, I would say, a style of fitness or style of exercise that is popular here in the United States, in California, and um. So she is a master trainer in that she has got all sorts of so many crazy, crazy certifications and so many amazing things that she does. Um, but I wanted to bring her on because I wanted all of you to meet her and, again, she's going to share her philosophy when it comes to how she works with clients in the way of eating and food and that sort of thing, and how she encourages her clients to just live their best lives, and so we'll talk about that as well. So, pam, it's so exciting to have you here. Thank you.

Speaker 2:

I'm so excited to be here Again. This was in the works, Absolutely.

Speaker 1:

A long, long time coming. So you all know that I used to be a teacher and I was in kind of mainstream work and Pam was in mainstream work as well, and so we have so many. Our paths have been very, very similar, so I will let her explain. So tell us what. How did you get into fitness?

Speaker 2:

I mean, it's kind of like where does it begin so? Well, first off, I, in high school, I ran track and cross country. Oh, I didn't know that. Yes, Long distance runner, so always loved running.

Speaker 2:

In my twenties I ran marathons, which was great, was great which was great, but it's hard on your body, right, it's a lot on your body. Um, also, during that time, I graduated college, got into tech, got into tech sales. You know how it goes right in tech sales being in san Francisco, everything's, everything's there, right. So I was working software sales at a company and I saw a studio in San Francisco that said Legree studio and I was like, oh, what is this, what is this all about? And it was after I made a decision to stop running marathons or take time off from them, which ended up not doing them again, just because, so many stress fractures so many run-ins harm your body.

Speaker 2:

Now don't get it twisted. I still do run.

Speaker 1:

Right, right, right. It's just a huge time commitment too.

Speaker 2:

I mean, you got to schedule 20 mile runs. It's a lot. So I wanted to go into the studio and I was like, oh you know, I'm fresh off running marathons, I'm going to be good at this. I was humbled. I was humbled. So, for those of you that don't know what Legree is, legree is a Pilates inspired type workout. It's so hard, it's very challenging. So, as opposed to Pilates, that's more of a flow. Legree is more time under tension. So Pilates, everything that we do is a flow.

Speaker 2:

Everything builds off of one thing to the next, whereas Legree is just more about being in movements for a long time, right and little movements. Yes, little movements, tiny movements, small, itty bitty movements. So, needless to say, I was not good and it was humbling. It was very humbling and that's kind of when I started to venture out of just running and I fell in love with the gray. I loved it, um, I, there was studios that I went to all throughout San Francisco and I and were you in Brad living in San Francisco? No, okay, so this is when I was in Texas, commuting, commuting back and forth and through different jobs in tech.

Speaker 2:

I still was loving LaGree and about, think, I would say, four years into it, I, there was an instructor that I really, really liked who ended up opening a studio out here in Walnut Creek like, oh, this would, this, would be fun, as a side side hustle, you know this was. I mean, this was what eight, yeah, eight years ago now, when, like the whole side hustle thing, right, that was like a buzz term, right, like what's your side hustle? Uh, so I started teaching and I, I loved it even more. It made me respect the method even more. It made me, um, feel even more confident in my method, doing it myself and then also teaching it.

Speaker 2:

Um, so still was in tech. Then, about two, three, three years in I've I've got laid off from my first, my first tech job and it was a bummer, right, like it was tough, like anyone who's been fired or uh, how do you say it? Laid off either way. Without a job it sucks, it hits, it hits your ego, right, it makes you feel like crap. So I was like okay, I'm getting my husband. My boyfriend at the time was like why don't you do fitness full time?

Speaker 1:

And I was like so sweet of him to do that, oh my gosh, because most of the time they're like no, no, you have to have a regular paycheck, exactly.

Speaker 2:

Exactly. But he knew like how much I came alive in the fitness sphere and I was like no, no, no, I'm still going to keep it a side gig. And I did and it was great, and then flash forward to about maybe two years after that. I got laid off again After that.

Speaker 2:

I got laid off again, and it was around the time that our current place of employment, where you and I work, was opening and I was, like you know, I got to take the leap. I got to take the leap. I'm not happy in tech.

Speaker 1:

I'm not happy in tech and a lot of it was just I was over the rat race of you know, you're only as good as your next sale and I was just really just burnt out from it, like completely burnt out and turned off from it. And were there a lot of women in tech sales Not really Fighting against, I mean?

Speaker 2:

that's. I mean that's. I don't want to say there wasn't any right, but it was a few and far between Right, right. It was so that that made it difficult, because I connect with women very, very well, more so than men most of the time. Um, yeah, so I, I, I took the leap and I was like you know what, um I? I was introduced to Kristen and I's current place of employment and I started group fitness here. I was like, oh, this is awesome.

Speaker 1:

And then so before we started working together, you, you were, you were just then. You were still in tech at that time when you started working.

Speaker 2:

When I started? No, when I started working here, I was already out. Okay, I was out. How long had you been out? Like a month. Oh, my God, it wasn't long at all, wow yeah.

Speaker 1:

I didn't know that. I didn't know it was that soon.

Speaker 2:

It wasn't, it wasn't long at all. And, yeah, personal training came up and I was like, oh, wow, that could be something that I would really like. It sounds great, like I connect with people, like I love connecting with a group of people, but what would it be like to have a deeper connection with people, one-on-one? I thought of it as a challenge and I thought of it as obviously a career change for me and kind of, the rest is history. Yeah, right, so I teach here at our current place of employment still love Legree ended up becoming a master trainer in Legree and I, I just it's. I finally feel like I'm doing what I was meant to be doing and I've said this before, but you can't. I mean, do I miss the money? Sure, yeah, I do.

Speaker 2:

I mean I do, but I wasn't happy, right, right, I wasn't happy, I wasn't, I wasn't doing what I was meant to be doing, and I feel like, ultimately, my main purpose has always been to be at service to people and in tech sales, and when you're selling software, it's just really hard to see your impact, right, right. And so here, when I'm working with people, one-on-one or even a small group setting, or even a large group setting, I can see my impact right in front of me and there's nothing to me that is more gratifying and more um, more enriching to my soul and my being than, ultimately, being at service to people.

Speaker 2:

And I think fitness is just one part, one way to do that, and that's where I've found that this is my niche and, like I said, my husband time boyfriend for years was telling me do fitness do? Fitness and I think a lot of it too, is like oh, I'm not good enough. You know how am I going to do it. It's not. It's not as consistent, as you know, having a nine to five job.

Speaker 2:

Like that's scary, that's scary and and you know I'm I'm not 25 anymore, so like that, that part of it too is very scary. Um, but it just worked out, it just worked out. It just worked out when, like I, just when you find something that you know is right for you, the work you put into it yeah, it's work and yeah it's hard, but it doesn't feel like soul taking, like taking away your soul, right. It's like, yeah, I get exhausted doing 10 hour days, but I'm much happier.

Speaker 1:

Right, exactly Right, and that's one of the things I know, that I, I y'all, I'll tell you she works and so she has a ton of clients, and she has a ton of clients in both Pilates and in personal training, and it's because she works really hard and she does a great job. But she also is out there, she puts herself out there, and the other thing I have to say and she would never say this is so she has a Pilates fusion class that she teaches on Mondays, and Fridays.

Speaker 1:

There is not a week that goes by that her class is not wait-listed. There is not. And you have like regulars and I've subbed the class and I'm like y'all aren't here but your best cause, pam's not here, not the people I know, and I'm like you're coming to see you. So I know you have such, you have such a huge following and you have so many people that you've connected with. But you've also taken a huge you. You've kind of put yourself into a leadership role here and you and you're in second in command in personal training and that's something, by the way, I never thought I would get into.

Speaker 2:

Leadership is always something like when I was in software sales that seemed like I could never do that and I didn't want to at that time. But it was something that was like why would I ever want to? How could I do that? I don't even have my shit stuff together, like I don't even have, like how could I lead? How could I lead people, right? So when that opportunity came up I was like what? Yeah, no. But then I was like, wait, maybe I can do that Absolutely, and so that's been. Another part that's been very, very, um, very gratifying is being able to share how I connect with people and how that others can do that in their own way. Right, like uplifting others to connect with people Right, and it just it takes.

Speaker 2:

It takes a lot, but once you get to a point where you really like thrive on connecting with others, it becomes a almost like they're giving you something right Like it's like and I tell clients that all the time who like they'll come in and they'll be like oh my gosh, I don't know what I would do without my time without you. And I'm like I don't know what I would do that my time with you you like, you know, like this is an equal right and equal relationship, but yeah, absolutely Part of taking a leap is that other things happen that you think couldn't happen, right.

Speaker 1:

And that you might not have had the. You might not have had the courage or the confidence when you were in tech sales. But then because here and now, this presented to you, it was like, oh well, yeah, maybe.

Speaker 2:

I could yeah. I could do that and maybe I could be even good at it, yeah she's so good at it.

Speaker 1:

I saw some notes that she took on one of her staff meetings and I was like man she's so good.

Speaker 1:

She had so many great suggestions for the other trainers. That was amazing. So where do you see your business? Because you are like your own business, you are your own, your own personal brand, your own personal business. Um, so you have all these different things that you're doing. So you have your, your personal training, you have your Pilates and, and you and those are things that they don't have to be within these four walls. They could be any place and then you have your Legree master trainer as a, as a Legree instructor. Where do you see, where do you see your business going?

Speaker 2:

Where would you like your business to go? It's so funny Cause I I get asked this like semi often and I, honestly, I just want to keep doing what I'm doing. I don't really see like, when I was in tech, I was always chasing after the next thing, the next thing, the next thing, and it started to feel like I was in a dark alley just running in the dark. And right now I'm just at a place where I want to keep doing what I'm doing. I want to keep being at service to people. I want to keep making people, leaving an impact on people. I want people to feel different when they walk away from a session with me. I want them to feel, wow, I did that and I'm glad I did it and I am a different person because of it.

Speaker 2:

So I don't really it sounds bad, but I just want to continue what I'm doing and kind of take it one day at a time, because in tech, like I said, I was always looking for the next thing, the next thing, the next thing, the next thing, the next thing, and you know, as my mom always, always says, one day at a time. Right, I just want to keep keep doing, keep doing what I'm doing and keep building connections with people, because ultimately, that's how I grow as a trainer, as an instructor, as a woman, as an adult, as an individual, and I feel like, as long as that's happening, I'm in a good place, right.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 1:

So that's kind of where I will and I will say, and I, uh, and you and I have not not talked about this, but the way it's interesting that you would talk about your impact on your clients and what I see as somebody who works with you, I see your impact on the other trainers because you are in a supervisory role and I and so when I say that, because I have seen the notes that she writes it from these staff meetings and they're, they're really, I mean, you're giving such good, you're giving such good information to your other trainers and you're like inspiring them to be better.

Speaker 1:

And so it's not just the impact that you have on your, your actual clients, but it's the impact that you have on these other people that are just trying to do what you're doing. They're trying to up-level their game and make as much money as they can and serve people and all of that. But but you're, I don't, I don't even know if you're even aware that you, that that's that. That, as an outsider, I see that where your huge impact is is on those other trainers.

Speaker 2:

Well, and that's all I mean, ultimately that's, that's something I would like to. I mean I would like to lead.

Speaker 2:

Mostly, I like to be a leader at service right so you'll never catch me the kind of leader that's sitting in an office or not doing the work, that people I don't want to say below me, but people subordinates. I want to be in there, I want to be doing it all with them right. I want to be seen as a partner, I want to be seen as an ally to them, but I can speak to it because I'm doing it Right.

Speaker 1:

And that's the only way that it's really authentic and that's where people are going to respect you and listen. Yeah Is if you're in the trenches. Yeah, you're in the trenches, exactly, exactly.

Speaker 2:

So ultimately, that makes me feel happy because I do want that. I do want people to see look, she's happy doing what she's doing, doing what she's doing, she's confident in what she's doing. Let me like how is she doing that?

Speaker 1:

Right, Like just just by watching, right, Just by watching. Yeah, absolutely so. When you work with, with people, whether it's in Pilates or whether it's in personal training most of the time I'm quite sure, more so with personal training than anything else, but Pilates is probably the same you probably have people coming in who are saying I want to change this about my body, this is what I want to work on, blah, blah, blah. So when you, as a trainer, what, what is your philosophy when it comes to, you know, to to getting in, to being the best person that you can be, or getting in the best shape that you want to be in?

Speaker 2:

So the way I, the way I work with my clients, is like how do I say this? I'm looking more to work with people who want a long-term, who are looking. I mean, sure, I work with people who say have certain goals and like, hey, I want to lose 20 pounds before this event, or oh, I want to do this. And like it's not that I don't want to help them, I do, but I want to to. I want them to understand that it goes beyond that 20 pounds, right. So what, what? What happens after we lose that 20 pounds? What, right? Like, what more do are we looking for, right? So for me it's like it's, it's a lifestyle thing. Right, it's a lifestyle. And I'm a big person that's big on slow and steady wins, the race, celebrating the small wins, right, one thing at a time.

Speaker 2:

Oftentimes I'll have people come in for personal training sessions who haven't worked out maybe ever, and they're in their later 60s and they're talking to their physician and their physician's telling them like, hey, listen, you got to work out. And for those individuals it's hard for them, right, because they haven't done it before and it's frustrating. They're like why can't I do this? Like I'm, I'm, I'm older, but like why, why can't this happen?

Speaker 2:

So for me, I like to keep it a very um, a relationship type thing, right. So I want to educate them. I want them to feel like they can go out into the gym floor and I mean this is particular in personal training but I want them to feel like they could do the workout without me. I don't want them to feel like they have to. I want to empower them, especially women, that hey, you can come out on the gym floor and you can start lifting, like you can do this. I mean, obviously I want to work with you know my clients forever, but I also want them to be. I want to empower them to do that Right, and still work with me.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, exactly Right.

Speaker 2:

So for me, again, it's more about the long run, right, the long. And some, some of those people are like, hey, I just want to lose this 20 pounds, okay, I can help you get there. But just know that, like, what else do we want? Because after that it's kind of like well, what else? Right. So I'd like to have it like a full, full scope, right, like full. Like like the mental health aspect is very, very, very important to me, um, and I think all of those things come together right and they lead to a healthy lifestyle if you're given the right tools and you're given the right support. And so a lot of what I do is outside of exercise and nutrition and all. A lot of it's mental health. A lot of it is like I just had the worst day of my life at work, okay, or I just got fired, right, right, I just had the worst day of my life at work.

Speaker 2:

Okay, or I just got fired Right, right, got laid up. Okay, let's sit and talk about that for a little bit and let's go work out. Okay, let's, let's, let's put it all together, let's put it to something good. But I think that to be a successful trainer and to be successful in anything that's interpersonal or where you're being at service to people, is to really show your vulnerability right and vulnerability I guess it is kind of like a buzzword, you know, but it's it's true though, right. So I like to share, you know, some of my struggles, right, I've I've had struggles with food, I've had struggles with body image and things like that, and I think that when I share that with my clients, I used to think, oh, I can't share that. That makes me seem like I don't know what I'm talking about, but really it shows that they're not alone, absolutely, and we're all human Right Right, and that's why we do what we do, because we want to help people, because we've been there.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, exactly, exactly. At the end of the day, I'm just a girl too, trying to survive in this male-dominated world, but we're just trying to survive here, so I think that that's something that really, really makes people feel comfortable. So I mean, yeah, for me, I'm in it for the long haul with them.

Speaker 2:

I want them to feel like they can do it. They can do it, we can do it. But those people that want those short fixes, I try to like dig a little bit deeper, right, right, I. But those people that want those short fixes, I try to like dig a little bit deeper, right, right. I definitely want people to see and feel results, but I want them to understand that true and lasting results takes years.

Speaker 1:

Right.

Speaker 2:

Oh yeah, years, Absolutely Years, years, years, maybe even longer. Right, and the truth is, most people don't want to hear that, but it's the truth, yeah.

Speaker 1:

The longer something takes, the more chance it has of lasting Absolutely, absolutely. So that just made me think of, um, your you just recently, well recently in February, did a, uh, a competition an athletic competition. So tell tell, tell the audience about that.

Speaker 2:

So Hyrox is, oh wow, so Hyrox is. It's an endurance competition, uh, where there's a lot of running involved and then there's different stations. So you run 0.6 miles 10 times and in between those runs you do things like a sled pole, uh, farmer carriers, lunges, all sorts of things, and very out of my comfort zone, very, very out of my comfort zone. And I was asked because a whole bunch of people at our place of employment were doing it and I'm a huge, big person on community right.

Speaker 2:

I mean, I was like Whoa, everyone's going together, and it was in Vegas.

Speaker 2:

So say no more Um, but yeah, and I, I ended up doing it with um. I got paired up with a girl here who now is a good friend of mine. We're doing another competition together, but it was just so, so, so fun to do something that was so out of my comfort zone, right, a lot of the people that were doing it were people who are their fitness level is a lot higher than mine and I was like God, how am I going to do this, how am I going to do this? But it doesn't matter, right, like, and you go to these things.

Speaker 2:

I mean, it's even like when I was running marathons, you see people all shapes and sizes. Right, and that's the beauty of it, right, is that everybody is welcome? Right, but it was just, it was an amazing experience to be alongside coworkers and different members of our place of employment and just being together like that. To me, it gets me the most, most excited. And then you know, obviously, the, the, the runner's high you get and all that. Oh, yeah, it's wonderful, but it was, it was great, and aren't you gonna do it? Are you gonna do it? She's gonna do it, she's gonna do it you guys, she's gonna do it, I'm gonna do it.

Speaker 2:

I'm a little old, but she's gonna do it. She's gonna do it. No, but you have to. You hear they just announced Vegas in February. Oh, it's in February again. Well, no, there's supposed to be one in Anaheim. Okay, that's right. Do you guys want to go to Anaheim in December?

Speaker 1:

Yes.

Speaker 2:

And then there's one in Vegas in February and then some people are doing Chicago, want to do it to try to get certain times Like I want it to be fun and I feel like if I do it too much I'll get a little too obsessive.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, you know I can understand that Um and so and that kind of falls in line with that, with that long-term of like you're looking for. They're looking for more long-term, like health, to be able to do these things that you didn't know that you could do, to challenge yourself, to get yourself to that point where you feel like, okay, I can, I can do this, I can use my body.

Speaker 2:

Yes, and it's an endurance race and I love endurance. Endurance is my, my, my favorite, but um it was a little intimidating at first there's some really high up there athletes that do it.

Speaker 2:

But again it was all about the experience and everyone's together. You know I met a great friend out of. Again it was all about the experience and everyone together. You know, I met a great friend out of it and it was just, it was a blast. It was a blast and I can't wait to do it again. There's something to be said for, you know, physically dying not really dying, but you know, working out to the point where you feel like you're going to die a little bit.

Speaker 1:

Right, it was kind of good yeah absolutely Not every day, and most of the time when I see her and she's gotten off the treadmill, she's like I'm out there fighting for my life. I'm not a treadmill or the stepper.

Speaker 2:

Yeah, it's so true. I think people have this misconception that exercise, if you work out a lot, becomes easy and it's like no, no, no, no, no, no, it's still hard. In fact, it may it harder, right, exactly. So that's why I try to relay that to my clients and people I meet that, hey, I'm just a girl that's trying to work out too and, you know, stay fit and be able to live a life as I age in a way that I don't have to rely on people. Right, right, exactly.

Speaker 1:

Exactly. So what would you? What would you tell somebody who, somebody who's who's listening to us, to have this conversation and and it's like, oh, but that's you know, that's you guys are already in fitness. Like you guys already. Like you, you do that stuff all the time. Like I can't do that. I, I don't know where to start, I don't know what to do, or I can't belong to a gym because I don't have, you know, I don't have the finances. What would you like, what would be your suggestion to somebody who's just like knows this would probably be a good thing for them to do, but they just don't know where to start?

Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, I would say everybody had to start somewhere. I mean, like, when I came, came here, I had very little strength training background besides Liguree, which is on a machine with springs, but I didn't and my running background. I came in here not not knowing a whole ton, but what I did was I immersed myself in it and I wanted to learn it and I wanted to be to be knowledgeable in it. And I think it starts with just doing it. Just doing it like anything Like, even if it's if it's getting outside walking for five minutes, right. I don't know if you've heard this book and probably have, but atomic habits yes, absolutely Fantastic book, right? So I think it's about making small, tiny goals for yourself.

Speaker 2:

And I struggle with this myself too, because I'm like I'll make a goal for myself. I'm like, oh, that's such an easy goal, Like. It's like getting in your car and going to the gym, right. But it's, but you have to start there. You can't bypass that part and go to the running 10 miles. You can't. It just doesn't work that way. I mean you can, but then guess what? You're going to hate it and you're never going to do it again, right? So I'd say small, small, tiny, tiny little bits, small micro things that are totally achievable. In the book I think he talks about too, the gym going, parking your car not getting out of the car, but just parking your car there and then leaving, and then the next time, okay maybe, walking in towards those doors. But for folks who can't afford things like gyms, these things that we unfortunately are expensive, get outside, get outside. There's something to be said for going for a walk, right, like, go for a walk five minutes five minutes, five minutes, that's it.

Speaker 2:

And then every day just add a little bit more, Add a little bit and you might be like oh well, that was just a five minute walk, that doesn't count. I didn't do anything.

Speaker 2:

No, it does count, because this is, this is slow and steady, wins the race here because we're going for life, right. And if we just look at, yeah, events can kind of kickstart us, which are great, but like, if we need to get out of the oh, this is I'm doing this for this or I'm doing this for that, no, no, I'm doing this for life, for life, right. I love that. Just do it. Just do, just do something, you know. And small, small, do it. Just do something. And small, small, small, tiny micro ones. Awesome.

Speaker 1:

Awesome. So this, you know, my podcast is. I have people who listen to my podcast all over, but for anybody who's in our area, anybody who happens, any of our members who are listening to this, if they want, if they would like to be, if they want to learn more about you and they're interested in working with you, what do they need to do?

Speaker 2:

Okay, well, we can leave. Maybe, like my Instagram, absolutely Leave my Instagram. I'm always looking to meet people, right? I'm always looking because, again, it's the kind of thing where I feel like I'm getting as much out of it as others are. My Instagram is a great place to find me here at our place of employment is a great place to find me, but I'm always always give me a holler, always say hi, always say hi. Yeah, but I'm around a lot. I mean, I live in the area too, so I know that you have listeners from all over, but I'm in the area and I think that also helps being in the community and living in the community that you work in. Not that you have to, but I think that that helps too.

Speaker 1:

Right, she's so healthy she walks to work.

Speaker 2:

I mean, she's so lucky, she's not so close, but she walks to work. I mean, that is a perk, that is a perk All those years of taking public transportation. Godspeed to all of you that take part over in the Bay Area. Exactly, exactly, yeah, always. Come say hi, okay, instagram.

Speaker 1:

Good. Well, thank you so much for taking the time to come do this, and I just think that I think your philosophy and everything that you're doing is so is, and you're just such a great example of somebody who, yes, you were in a position where you were, yeah, you were probably making really good money, and but it was, but you weren't happy, and you just can't put a price tag on that Right, I could have kept doing it.

Speaker 2:

I could have kept doing it, but like, at what point is it like? And then what, right, and then what, and then what.

Speaker 1:

Right, right, well, and that's where, and that's the way I was. I was like how many, how long? When is it ever going to be that I'm not working to the weekend or I'm not working for summer vacation, and then, halfway through the summer, I'm dreading the fact that, like, oh, I only have five weeks left and I have to go back to work.

Speaker 2:

What am I going to do? And it's like I just knew that that wasn't how I wanted to live my life, and I also do want to clarify I'm not hating on tech or software sales by any means.

Speaker 2:

It's a great living, but it wasn't for me Right. And I stayed in it too long because I was scared. Yeah, Because I was scared, Because I was scared of getting outside of my comfort zone, scared that I might fail at something even though I was already failing at something Right, right, because you weren't listening to your heart.

Speaker 1:

I wasn't.

Speaker 2:

It's so true. It's so true, so true yeah.

Speaker 1:

Good. I love you too, so thank you, thank you all for joining us this week. I'm so, so honored. I will continue to highlight the people that I work with and the amazing things that they're doing, and just share some different philosophies and different ways of looking at fitness and movement and a healthy lifestyle, because I think everybody has to pick what's going to work for them and and really what's going to be something that's going to be sustainable, Because that's really the bottom line is that it's not just a quick fix. It's something that you really want to incorporate in your life for the long term, because it's going to extend your life and somebody was talking to me about there's our lifespan and then there's our health span.

Speaker 2:

Yes.

Speaker 1:

It's kind of the new buzzword yes, and having a health span that is as long as your lifespan, and that they're equal, so you're able to do exactly what you want to do for as long as you, as long as you're living, and that's what we really want to do.

Speaker 2:

So that's the ultimate goal right it's to keep living. Right it's to keep living and keep living a lifestyle where we can be with our family, we can be with our friends and we keep doing what makes us happy. Yeah happy.

Speaker 1:

Yeah, absolutely All right y'all. Thank you so much for joining us and I will see you all next week. All right, Take care Bye. Thank you for listening to this week's episode. If you are interested in learning more about how I can help you understand and manage your emotional eating, including the use of hypnosis to uncover the root cause of your eating, go to my website, kristinjonescoachingcom.